https://compilers.iecc.com/ The oldest and most popular online compilers forum. en-us Compilers RSS kludge 0.1 compilers-request@iecc.com webmaster@iecc.com Michael Lehn <michael.lehn@me.com> https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-011 https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-011 Yes, exactly. They are not computer science students, and HPC0 is not a conventional compiler course. I teach at the Institute of Numerical Mathematics. The students come mostly from mathematics and related programs, and their programming experience varies Christopher F Clark <christopher.f.clark@compiler-resources.com> https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-010 https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-010 While I agree with our esteemed moderator's point about aesthetics, it is worth noting that Wirth intentionally made Pascal easy to parse. Thus, the Pascal declaration notation was designed to be parsed with a one pass compiler. Thus, arguing that the syntax is easy to read and understand has some George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-009 https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-009 Hi John, >[Your moderator has only limited sympathy for arguments about the aesthetics of >declarations, noting a strong pattern of people liking what they learned first. >Personally, I think Fortran EQUIVALENCE and COMMON statements are totally Michael Lehn <michael.lehn@uni-ulm.de> https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-008 https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-008 > On 5. Sep 2026, at 17:18, George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> wrote: > On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 08:05:06 +0200, Michael Lehn > <michael.lehn@uni-ulm.de> wrote: >> The main motivation for A Better C is actually quite mundane. When teaching C, Michael Lehn <michael.lehn@uni-ulm.de> https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-007 https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-007 > On 5. Sep 2026, at 17:17, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: > Michael Lehn <michael.lehn@uni-ulm.de> wrote or quoted: >> In practice, we have seen the opposite. Since introducing ABC, students who >> come to the course without previous programming experience have had a George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-006 https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-006 On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 08:05:06 +0200, Michael Lehn <michael.lehn@uni-ulm.de> wrote: >The main motivation for A Better C is actually quite mundane. When teaching C, >I always found declarations unnecessarily difficult to explain. For example: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-005 https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-005 Michael Lehn <michael.lehn@uni-ulm.de> wrote or quoted: >In practice, we have seen the opposite. Since introducing ABC, students who >come to the course without previous programming experience have had a >noticeably easier time. They can first learn the programming concepts without George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-004 https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-004 On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 08:05:06 +0200, Michael Lehn <michael.lehn@uni-ulm.de> wrote: >The main motivation for A Better C is actually quite mundane. When teaching C, >I always found declarations unnecessarily difficult to explain. For example: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-003 https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-003 Michael Lehn <michael.lehn@uni-ulm.de> wrote or quoted: >In practice, we have seen the opposite. Since introducing ABC, students who >come to the course without previous programming experience have had a >noticeably easier time. They can first learn the programming concepts without "Cóilín" "Nioclásín" "Glostéir" <thanks-to@Taf.com> https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-002 https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/26-09-002 Congratulations on an FPGA implementation. "Interestingly, there is usually another group of students as well. Many of them already know me from previous mathematics courses and are curious to see what a programming course taught by a mathematician looks like."