Re: Bounds checking, Optimization techniques and undefined behavior

Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@netscape.net>
Mon, 6 May 2019 10:15:23 +0200

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From: Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@netscape.net>
Newsgroups: comp.compilers
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 10:15:23 +0200
Organization: Compilers Central
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Posted-Date: 06 May 2019 10:37:49 EDT

Am 05.05.2019 um 20:44 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich:
> Am 05.05.2019 um 12:14 schrieb Bart:
>
>> But how do they get there? Take this:
>>
>> int A[10], *p;
>> p = &A[3];
>>
>> You intend p to refer to the 4-element slice A[3..6], but how does the
>> language know that? How can it stop code from writing to p[5]?
>
> Not pointers are bad, but pointer arithmetic is. It should be allowed
> only with objects of known bounds.
>
> DoDi
> [In this case the bounds look known to me. -John]


The bounds are known for the array, so that the pointer is guaranteed
valid by compile time check. But p[x] or p+x can not be guaranteed valid
without considerable runtime and bounds storage overhead. Also simple
p++ operation or the like requires an update of the bounds information.
That's what I consider pointer arithmetic, not above &A[3].


I learned to love the Pascal indexing instead of pointers, because a
loop like
      for i := 1 to 10 do sum := sum + A[i];
can be optimized safely by the Pascal/Delphi compiler into pointer and
auto increment, so that no speed penalty exists vs. explicit pointer
usage. But in a C for loop the index variable can be changed in code, so
that even above code would execute slower with bounds checks.


DoDi


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